Self-Aware Microwaves

Hey guys, it's time for another episode of Space Welders. Episode 76, recorded Friday, 17th of March, 2017, Self-Aware Microwaves, with your hosts Mike Wise and Steve Rogers. Has your microwave become self-aware? Well, I mean, it did transform the other day, like that scene in Transformers where the mobile phone goes a bit crazy.

Yeah, that sound. So that's what happened to you, literally you're in the kitchen. You've got to watch out for those microwaves, man. I mean, you thought that, you know, reheating the three-day-old Chinese leftovers at 2am, you thought you got away with it, but no.

Was that what? The microwave knows. Trump was referring to. The microwave always knows.

Somehow, it reads your mind. Maybe you're not on the right wavelength. I see what I did there. Because it's waves.

Yeah, it's just completely and utterly ridiculous stuff coming out at the moment, but I mean, it's fun. It's exciting. It puts you on edge. Every day, you come in to read the news and something's going on.

Yeah, now, you know, I have taped over the numbers on my microwave just to prevent any possible privacy settings, you know. On a completely unrelated note, I do have, you know, Alexa that just listens to me all the time. It's great. I can just ask it anything and it just tells me.

So that's really fun. It's like, what are you doing now, Steve? Stop doing that, Steve. Speaking of stop.

You're disgusting. Alexa, talk dirty. No, I don't. No, that's not where AI is going to go.

Are you really? You don't think the first person to figure out who can make a fully self-aware sex bot isn't going to win, like, the Nobel Peace Prize. That person, the first person to figure out a fully self-aware, moral-less sex bot is going to conquer world peace. They will solve the Middle East problem.

They will reunite Israel and Palestine. Brexit will cease. The Scots will be happy with their lot as part of the UK. Canada will rejoin the Union and Trump will do something.

No, no, no. Obama will come back and they will allow an additional term to occur, so that's what's going to happen. Or, as most people want, is the comedy to save the planet. Speaking of comedy, wikileaks.

I mean, that's why you're listening to us, right? For the comedy. Hilarious. So, speaking of comedy, wikileaks.

Okay, so last week there was the recent announcement of Vault 7 and what's going on there with all of the thousands and thousands of documents that have been released. So they released 8,761 documents, a bunch of files and a lot that exposes the tactics of the CIA, how they can hack and get access to secure devices, systems and communications, and it doesn't matter what device and platform you're on, and specifically TVs, light bulbs, your light bulbs. It's mostly the whole ridiculous IoT thing, isn't it? We talked about this before, the proliferation of IoT devices with horrific system security, like you'll have IP-accessible baby monitors that have no security on them and can just, if you know the IP, you can access them over the internet with zero security.

But it turns out that there's nothing really to see here. There was nothing really new, and they were threatening to release source code. Well, it was a bit like, oh, the CIA's hacking us and listening to us. What else is new?

It's kind of like that's the least of our issues right now. It's more interesting from a point of view of folks like Whisper Systems. So Whisper was, or Open Whisper Systems, was recently brought out. They power a lot of the private communications inside of Twitter and other chat clients, like Signal.

Signal's probably the biggest one. And the other next one is WhatsApp. Like WhatsApp's had plenty of controversy, like in Brazil, where they would shut them down for a couple of days because they, you know, it was all encrypted communication. And they recently said on Twitter, updated a statement about it, because they were able to hack into these particular systems.

And that's not the story. They literally said, no one's getting into this. In fact, this actually declares the opposite. So crypto technologies and protection, it's so hard that the kinds of attacks that they're going for are keylogger attacks.

So if you're installing a malware on your computer and it's, you know, listening to your keystrokes or you're, you know, using a hacked iPhone that's listening to your keystrokes, then, you know, it sucks it in. So it essentially still just comes down to social engineering installing some kind of malware at a level. They can't hack into your computer to install it, that you've got to click on a dodgy link or installs a dodgy executable, something that's bundled with it together, or, you know, miss one of the checkboxes. I don't know if you've ever installed Daemon Tools, which is a ISO emulator runner.

Sort of unnecessary now that Windows 10 can do it natively, but it was really useful in XP and Windows 7. But you had to be on your game when you installed that thing, because there was about five levels of, do you want to install this toolbar? Do you want to install this application? Do you want to install this other toolbar?

Do you want Norton Antivirus? You really want Norton Antivirus, don't you? Jesus, did you just buy a Dell just then? Oh man.

I think Dells usually come with Kaspersky these days, not Norton. Although they're bloatware. We bought a SSD this week and it came with how much bloatware? It was like 30...

It was a one terabyte SSD, wasn't it? And it had about 150 megabytes of crap, let's be honest. It's crap. You know, like encryption applications, and I don't even know, I just deleted it outright.

I don't know, but anyway, Apple came out and said, we've patched most of these, it's quite old, most of the vulnerabilities that have been talked about or exposed are old ones, and pretty much debunked. Everyone's now turning their attention back to WikiLeaks, because even when Snowden released, when he came out, he went to the press instead of WikiLeaks, and now WikiLeaks are using it kind of... WikiLeaks is kind of, yes, their altruistic premise is to expose the governments and present all this information, but it's actually going the opposite way in terms of its usage here. So I don't know to whom are they proffering to release this information.

It's, you know, for White Hat... Highest bidder. Yeah, it's quite dumbfounding. So no one, you know, what sort of pressure is on them to get this out, to make these statements?

Well, it's usually... Whether it's just a news grab... It's usually insurance, these kind of things, isn't it? So WikiLeaks will tweet the public keys of the encrypted files as insurance, so that if something happens, they can release the private key, and all of a sudden everyone can unlock all of these vaults, which is, I guess, what's happened here.

But, as often, you know, this is not the first time this has happened, and generally nothing ever really comes of it. Has anything ever come of one of these leaks, really, in terms of actual concrete action? Accessing your car, accessing your lights... I think the biggest one, you know, they haven't broken Signal or WhatsApp.

That's the opposite. That's WhatsApp and Signal, who are based on Whisper Systems, links in the show notes when you can read about who Whisper Systems is, and how they're related to Twitter. It's going the opposite. It's saying, no, this is actually an affront on encryption, and cryptography, and usage of it.

And there are some countries that are trying to ban that sort of thing, so that they can access your devices. And I think this leads to the wider debate about access to devices as you cross border, you know, there's the new Muslim Bank, in quotes, 2, that's been released and also blocked in Hawaii. Yeah. Well, it's not just them.

The US Customs, or Border Control, or whatever it is, have been... I don't know if this has ever actually been officially confirmed, but there's definitely been people who have talked or tweeted about their own personal happenings as they're entering the US border, of having to unlock and allow the border guard or customs agent to search through their phone. Which is an enormous affront to privacy, but then, you know, you don't like it, don't go to the US. No, but it's a whole point about protecting your borders, and controlling the borders, and improving who enters and how they enter, presuming that they're a terrorist first approach.

Australia has the same thing. The place where they're putting all of their effort and action and visibleness is not where most of the people are entering illegally. So in Australia, there's a big push, and there has been the last few governments, for stopping the boats, which has been the election promise. So like 200 years ago, we entered illegally?

Yeah, now we're going to stop them. But there's a very minor percentage of people who come to Australia illegally via boat. Most people who are in Australia illegally come on a visa and then overstay their visa. It's the same in the US.

Most people who are going to enter the US for nefarious reasons aren't necessarily going to walk through a major customs port, they're going to, you know, they're going to cross another border, they're going to cross the Canadian or the Mexican border, hence why we need a wall, Mike. We've got to build a wall around Australia. It's like when you play Age of Empires 2 on an island map and you build a wall all around the island. Did you ever do that?

That's right. It's obviously going to find, you wouldn't do this, you would use other techniques to get in through. It can be circumvented, that's the whole fun, that's the point. So I mean, you need a truly corrupt system to fight, you know, against this sort of behaviour and that's generally how you hack something.

So yeah, I think this WikiLeaks thing was, it's very confusing to understand the motive, I understand, you know, obviously the motivation, but the content of it has been debunked so many times. We'll provide some links and notes and you can follow through some of the findings from security folks who have been talking about it. I think it's been an interesting discussion because it's talking about, well, you should be upgrading your operating systems that you do use so that you're patched all the time and, you know, talking about malicious or malware. So Steve, even if you're security conscious, things can still go wrong for you.

So Australia Post's security team had some issues recently. Well, the information security team of Australia Post, which is the nationalised postal service, decided to test their staff with fake emails that would pop up a message saying your computer's been locked and scare, scare and ASCII skull and crossbones, just to see how much many of their staff would click it. So what they decided to do was put some ransomware on your machine and the purpose of this was it's custom built to track keyboard. So it's tracking what you've typed and then report back and lock the screen and perform other sort of scary things to scare them into a sense of you should have more thought about when interacting with things like USB sticks, email and opening email and answering general questions or allowing software to get onto your machine through these attack vectors, I guess, is what they were trying to do.

So they were using stress as a great motivator. Yeah, well, they were trying to make people aware of how easy it is to fall for these kind of social engineering type of attacks, which is, let's be honest, mostly how people and companies are hacked is someone clicks on a link in an email and install something and that's it. So they say 43% said they were confident they'd never fall for a phishing attack but still did, and a growing number of others said they knew they were being phished but decided to click on the link anyway, quote, for the lulz. So we just did it for the lulz, but that sort of comes back to what Wikileaks is probably, no, well, it's what the CIA is using, this social engineering way, and here's someone who's actively in Australia proved it against their own staff with a keylogger and been able to expose that this is possible just by simply sending them an email and saying click this button, or here's a USB, stick it in, and away you go.

Well, I mean, this is akin to a fire drill, right? So they were saying that the staff, the issue becomes that the staff were saying they were very stressed by what is essentially a drill, that it would come up with the you've-been-hacked screen or your computer's locked screen for about 20 seconds and then it would redirect them to their internal internet security tracker. Should have been that one, like, you're watching porn. Yeah, whoop, whoop.

Or the cow one. Yeah, but it's akin to a fire drill, isn't it, really? It's an information security fire drill where it's a few minutes of stress, but hopefully when the real thing occurs, you remember what to do and either don't do something that you did that you shouldn't have or do what you should have done that you didn't. Does that make sense?

Right. Always do what you shouldn't have done but you did, but don't do what you didn't do but you should have done but you didn't anyway. Ladies and gentlemen, introduction. That makes sense to me, so I don't know what your problem is.

Program a brain. Yeah. Always never not do what you did do previously that you shouldn't not have done. Else.

Otherwise, trouble. But trouble that you weren't not expecting. And then throw that straight down into a catch exception and then we're good. Finally.

And then put a finally on it. Always important to do a finally. Always put a finally, but you didn't dispose of it at the end, Steve. Always...

Oh, you've got to say, you've got to use using. You've got to use it. You've got to use a using. Wrap it in a using.

You've got to use a using to not do what you didn't do but you should have not done previously to then catch what you shouldn't have done but you did do that you shouldn't have not done but you did. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, that's right.

I mean, if you can't follow that... Oh yeah, that's this programming 101. So to help people out though, have you ever filled out any kind of online form, Steve, and been confronted by the squiggly words? Oh, no, because I am officially a computer and I just, it just stops me dead.

Or are you a robot? It's like those ones where you were 17 and it said are you 18? I always click no because I was an 18 and you can't lie on the internet. But you must be a robot.

You said you ticked the box that said you weren't. But there is no... I don't know how. I can't do it.

You... Oh well. So everyone's familiar with CAPTCHA or the new variant reCAPTCHA. But now Google's decided that they're going to...

And CAPTCHA was used as a manatronic way of studying numbers in pictures because humans just did the work. They previously did the work of looking at addresses and numbers and CAPTCHA was tracking that and teaching an AI to understand and read numbers. Pop quiz. What does it stand for?

Oh god, no. No. It's... I know at least the first four is completely automated something.

Turing's in there. Is it? Yeah. So anyway, the whole point is so that you can't have bots answer forms.

We generally, as a programming thing... Completely automated public Turing test to tell computers and humans apart. Obviously. Obviously.

To... I was off, right? No, you have the squiggles on the bottom where you try to read it. And there's...

I'll also put a link to some comedy. I'll put a link to Michael McIntyre. He does a beautiful number where he's talking about filling out forms online and CAPTCHA specifically. Anyway, you may have noticed recently that when you go and tick the CAPTCHA box, it's saying, okay, and just moving on.

So there's now a light version or a... What are they calling it? An invisible CAPTCHA. CAPTCHA is actually a free service, so you can put this on your form everywhere.

But... Well, CAPTCHA itself is just an idea. The reCAPTCHA is Google's version of it. And it's been through several iterations.

If you remember the CAPTCHAs in the 90s, they were usually just obfuscated words, but they were generally pretty easy to see. They were easy enough because the noise that was generated for the word was generated by a computer, so it was actually fairly easy to undo the noise in these early CAPTCHAs. Google then came along and decided to put it to use where you would have two words. And this is what the CAPTCHA for a long time was two words.

And what they actually were were OCRed words from books that the OCR machine didn't know what they were. So Google decided to crowdsource the interpretation of un-OCRable words to train its algorithms. And you could always tell because one of the words was a control, and one of the words was a word it didn't know. So it always knew one of the words, and it was generally the easier-to-see word that it didn't know.

And as long as you put that word in correctly, you could put anything in for the second word at all. Tricky. Which means that good wholesome places like 4chan were able to completely troll these algorithms because every time they had the same word, they would all put in the same alternate word and train the computers into thinking it was something else. Then they decided to start using house numbers.

So if you've noticed in recent years, you'll get like a Google Maps or a Google Street View picture because they wanted you to put in a house number because certain house numbers were difficult for it to work out what they were, particularly lettered house numbers, like 11A is tricky for it to work out what that actually means. And then after that, they went to just the single checkbox, I guess using, I don't know how they work out. I think they often, with the single checkbox, they look at where and how you click it. So if you click the exact middle of the checkbox every time.

then you're probably a bot. Or if your mouse goes immediately to the center of the checkbox, then you're a bot. That's kind of easy-ish to work around because you can put some randomness into where you click it. What they're now doing is what they're calling no capture, where if they think you're a human, they're just not going to display the capture at all.

How they determine you're a human, I don't know. They look through your microwave and see if you're actually sitting at your computer or not. They're staring up your nose with a camera. They've now updated the service to support this invisible bit where you don't have to sit there and fiddle with numbers and so on.

It's just tick I'm a robot, but it actually uses various other attributes to determine whether or not you are human instead. So speaking of humans, we need them to read annotations in YouTube. Annotations in YouTube, if you've ever been on YouTube, Steve, I don't know if you've been on YouTube. Once or twice.

Every time that you're watching YouTube, you'll see ads at the bottom and often the content creators are given an opportunity to annotate the YouTube video. That is, they can have keyframed or at points in time in the video, boxes of words appear that allow you to click off or link to other parts of the video. For some people, they've used it like as a chooser and adventure. Some people have used it for feedback like forms and questionnaires and so on.

However, some people have just used it to cover their entire video with shit. Yes, and now they're saying because it's not what the alternative to that is burning it into the video. So if you're on a mobile platform or some other delivery device like Apple TV, for example, no annotations work on Apple TV. So someone says click here, they're just pointing at parts of the screen and look like a bit of a fool.

So they're saying it's never worked on mobile, so but it's not going to do it at all, Steve. Yeah, so they've said that people aren't using them right, doesn't work on mobile, so kill it. Okay, so there is, they have recently rolled out end cards and end screens, which most people would use annotations for the end card of their video with links to other videos, to their channel, to Facebook, to whatever. So since they've rolled out an actual end screen, they have decided that well, annotations aren't really useful anymore, people aren't using them right, so we may as well get rid of them.

The problem with that is that how now, how now, Brown Cow, yes, how do you now correct a video after it's been out, which was the actual correct use for an annotation is to annotate your video. And one of the better uses and more appropriate uses for it is if you had a factual-based video and ended up being incorrect or needing to make a change, you could use an annotation to display the correction on top of the video. Obviously, it still didn't display on mobile, but now you don't really, there's no, you don't really have an option for correcting that other than re-changing the video, re-rendering and re-uploading, but I'm not sure you can replace a YouTube video and maintain views and comments on the video. I think you basically have to delete and re-upload.

You had to delete and re-upload. Like if you've got a few hundred thousand views on a video, you're going to lose all of that. Yeah, and through our day jobs as well, we deal with video and this sort of issue, but the interesting thing is you've got folks like Linux Tech Tips who burn in advertising as links, so you can display or present in some portion of your video what would appear to be where you would click to link to a product or vendor that you're advertising, and then later on use the annotation to have the actual mechanism for the link to work, and that's been fairly regularly used. Like people are going, click on my audio podcast thing or, you know, the problem with Amazon ads is they're there forever.

Well, yeah, and this line has gotten to trouble because they had actually burnt them in and, you know, contracts and agreements change and so on and so forth. So you have to change the video. So you have to change the video, and so he was in a situation where he'd have to go back and put them back in. So are they then going to resupply this or put another feature in?

I doubt it. It's YouTube. Like how do you do, well they've got advertising scrolling along the bottom, so if you've got, they should actually support that as an actual feature because. Yeah, but YouTube isn't in it to support creators.

They're just in it for themselves. But if they've got advertising running along the bottom, which is fine. But if you want to bring in advertising. You've already got ads that are in there and you can burn in your own ads.

But they should have a place where you can put this kind of interaction into your video as a standard and however they handle it is up to them. YouTube doesn't care. They really don't. There's issues with YouTube, and we've talked about this, where it's crap for creators and they just don't care.

They're making their money. They're taking their 30% or whatever it is of ad revenue and they don't care and they don't improve it and it's a problem. And this is just another proof that they really don't care. They're just removing something that a lot of people use and a lot of people use legitimately with no real better replacement for it.

So there's not going to be a replacement for Cassini. So Cassini's been sitting there looking at Saturn for quite some time and particularly it's looking at Saturn's northern hemisphere. Last year it was just sitting there. But come September 15th they're going to smack it into Saturn's hydrogen helium atmosphere.

And so there's not very many weeks left for it after its amazingly lengthy job of taking pictures of that area in space. Yeah, so Cassini's been orbiting since 2010. It's been doing a lot of science around Titan and Saturn itself. Did you see that funny moon they found the other day?

It looked like an egg. Yeah, I'd never ever seen that moon before. No. It was, I can't remember what it was called, but sure.

They should have called it holy shit, what's that? Yeah, you know, this is the standard way of ending missions around outer planets because you don't want to crash the spacecraft onto one of the moons in case there's life or something else. You don't want to contaminate the moon. No, you just want to crash it in.

You don't want to contaminate the moon with any fuel that's left over, any other metals or germs or anything that happened to be on the spacecraft. So the best thing to do, and this has happened with probes around Jupiter as well and Saturn in the past, you crash them into the planet and generally they burn up in the atmosphere because these planets are essentially atmosphere. Imagine the meeting they had with this. So, how are we going to end it?

I think it was probably assumed from the beginning that this is how it would be ended because what that means is then as it's basically on its death dive, it can be sending back information about the layers of the atmosphere, what it's composed of, temperatures, pressures, that kind of thing, which you wouldn't ever normally be able to get because you can't then come back out of it. You can only do it on a final mission to the core of the planet, which you're never going to get there. So this was always going to happen. There's no other way that it could possibly end, really.

True. One of the interesting things about this, as it's going through the rings and it's going to go through a fairly hazardous part of the rings, but then it will plunge on in and it will be sending data back as it's going. But it will be, by the time that we've received the last piece of data, it will be dead already. Press F.

Ain't no rebooting from that one. So I think it's kind of interesting. So we've got some amazing science to look forward to in the coming months. Next month, which is April, Steve, on ABC, there's a special coming up in Australia.

It's a stargazing week and so every evening we'll have the dates and links for the episodes. But it's live with Brian Cox on ABC here in Australia and you'll be able to stare at the skies with Brian Cox live talking about particular things to look at and see and do in the sky. So that's coming up next month. Really worth a look.

So Steve, as you know, I love to scour GitHub for stuff on a regular basis. Something that I found recently, it's being updated about two weeks ago, had a bit of a fresh update. It's called Room Alive and it's a part of the Kinect Microsoft team and they've been working on and trying to push out some examples of repurposing or reusing the Kinect. I know that they don't sell the Kinect anymore with Xbox One.

It's been taken out of the pack. But you can use all of your spare Kinects in a brand new and interesting way. So what Room Alive is, is it's dynamic projection mapping onto surfaces. So you've always, I don't know if you've been to Christmas expos and people have been dynamically projecting animated stories onto walls or around buildings and so on, this is the same idea except it works at room scale.

And so you can place your projector down and if you download the software and compile it, mostly .NET code, you can turn your projector into something which projects onto surfaces, which is fascinating to do it. And it does work with Kinect very well. So what you do is you point the Kinect, there's instructions for a single Kinect operation but it's best if you've got multiple Kinects and multiple projectors, if you've got the cache and time, and you can wire them together. But the really interesting bit is you can combine and download and combine Unity gaming engine and then you can use the Unity gaming engine to wrap surface or texture surfaces with the image in the room.

So what you see in Unity is actually a point cloud or vertices or tessellated version of the room and then you can put characters and objects and have them interact with the room. However you can also see the projection of that outwardly onto objects and surfaces and you can have interaction which is amazing stuff to play with. So that's something I've been working with with my kids in a bit of spare time. You can put some bouncing balls around and then have them smash holes in the wall literally.

So it's RoomAlive. I'll have a link and some descriptions and notes about it but definitely it's worth a look. You can get it up and running really easily. The project's broken into various servers so you've got a server for your camera, you've got a server for the Kinect.

The Kinect basically they've used a repeating pattern of a UDP like a WCF style service and you listen to what's going on on the sockets and then you start rendering things back into Unity. So Unity gets a real-time view and away you go. You can project onto different surfaces. So I think when Christmas is coming, this is a big thing for Christmas because I suck at Christmas lights and last year my wife wanted to put like, you know, we went a little bit further but I got more into solar lights and put lots more solar lights in the yard but I really think I wanted to have like a projector and this is the way to get into it.

I think if I just stick my projector out front I do a point cloud of my house and then I can just render porn all over the front of my home and that would be great for Christmas. I think so. Fun for the whole family. Fun for the whole family or if people are walking past what you could do is capture them and project them onto the wall walking past and the house could be like doing funny things with you or making fun of you or being scary or talking back or doing something at least interactive.

So I think room alive and where are we now? We're in March so I'm getting ready for Christmas so you know got to roll this thing out in time. So I think if I just stick my projector out the front with a room alive and a connect, golden. That's what I'm going to do for Christmas.

So media this week, there's a new update from our favourite public broadcasting service. They've got a new, it's not an EP but a single that's out that we've been listening to, watching. Not much going on other than that. We've been head down.

Let us know. Let us know. We've been head down and work so we'll talk about some of our work maybe later on and give you an update. Give you an update as to what makes us busy during the day we program.

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I want live stream and no do you know what I would want? I would prefer a live stream from inside the dishwasher. Dishwasher? That's no fun.

And a fridge would be more fun? Nothing happens in a fridge. Dishwasher is like boiling water and spinning. No way the struggle is real in your fridge.

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No things are rotting. You may you have a rotter. That would be that would literally be like watching paint dry. It would be worse and I'm pretty sure it takes longer.

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