And the winner is

Hey guys, it's time for another episode of Space Welders. Episode 78, recorded Monday 3rd of April 2017. And the winner is, with your hosts, Mike Wise and Steve Rogers. Hey Steve, how's it going?

What's up? What's up? We're talking to a red carpet walker here. Yes, that's right.

Over the weekend. Rubbing shoulders with the rich and famous of the podcasting community, of course. That's true. Because every podcaster is rich and famous.

I mean, look at us. We all are. We have the bling. That's not a brown microphone, it's a gold one.

Oh yeah, pure solid gold. It's really annoying to take somewhere else. It's really heavy. It doesn't fit on the stand properly.

It's really, solid gold anything, it's just not, it's not worth it. It's like in Peppa Pig, where Mr Fox has got the constant joke of gold plastic. That's proper gold plastic. Anyway, side with the jokes.

So yes, I was at the Castaway Awards over the weekend and I got an opportunity to attend the awards, of course, and meet with everybody and find out what Castaway Awards was all about. More importantly, they were announcing the winners in an amazing event. It was held at the giant Dwarf Theatre there in Sydney and it was packed. It was filled with so much energy and enthusiasm for podcasting.

Of course, we had some winners at the events and, you know, it's really great to see so many people there celebrating a medium that is only just starting out, I think, in Australia or getting recognition. Well, it's in that process of moving from very niche to slightly less niche, particularly as advertisers are realising that people listen to it and then you have the bigger media companies get into it. That's the stage where we're at right now. Yeah, I think congratulations to Dave Goettler and the team for putting together Australian Podcast Awards like no one was asking and he was deeply interested in bringing these significant podcasters out there who do it just for the enjoyment and put a lot of time and their own effort and money into producing quality material for folks to listen to on a regular or weekly basis.

But more importantly, here's a place where we can get some industry recognition. The other point is that with distribution platforms out there for podcasters, this now says, you know, yes, you can curate your platform through American content or international content but realise that there is significant Australian content that's worthwhile to listen to and that's significant across all the different genres. Now, at the awards, they've obviously had a YouTube live video event so we'll include a link in the description and show notes this week so you're able to watch that back if you wish. Of the awards, I'll do a quick rundown of who won, Steve.

So for comedy and entertainment, it was Planet Maynard and the Skeptics Gang there. For business and marketing and entrepreneurship, it was the Ambitious Entrepreneur Show, Lifestyle, Wealth and Wealth the Well won that. Literature, arts and music, Vinyl Soul. Political, social and current affairs, Punt.

For tech, science and gaming, which we were a finalist of, Future Sandwich and congratulations to Future Sandwich for taking that out. Our checks obviously didn't clear in time. That's clear. Yeah, we've got to, we'll try harder next time.

We've got to send it a bit sooner. Yeah. Put express post. We needed a warm-up clap.

Yeah. We needed that sort of slow clap, clap, clap. Anyway, sports by association, congratulations. Something that really surprised me and later on we've got an interview with the Neighbours.

It's for TV film and pop culture, Neighbours, the Neighbours Recap Podcast, which is a podcast in disguise. Industry focus, the Find It, Style It podcast. The documentary and storytelling is Phoebe's Fall, so that was an SBS production and the popular vote went to Case File True Crimes, which they have an anonymous podcast, well anonymous host, Steve. We need, we need an anonymous, we need the Stig of Space World.

No, we should have gone with anonymity just so that the fame doesn't get to our heads. That's true. Don't you just hate being stopped as you're walking down the street? I constantly am and so the feeling of attending the events was interesting because we're all podcasters, so we don't actually know what each other looks like.

Maybe if you're familiar, if you gather together like birds of a feather sort of thing and attend events, maybe you know each other, but it's podcasting, it's radio, you don't know what each other looks like. So we got into the theatre, there's a kind of like an entrance area which had a red carpet hosted by Maynard, which has got video recorded. But I attended that and had a quick chat, so hopefully that video comes out later, you'll be able to see what I had to say and what I look like, of course. But it was a packed event, it was really a lot of energy there, a lot of people meeting each other, kind of like for the first time it felt like, or it's like, who are you?

What do you do? And then once you started talking about podcasting and your passion, you know, it was very easy to have conversations and create those networks. So yeah, there was over 200 guests there at the time and I had an opportunity to talk with a few people including Dave after the event, which I thought was truly an amazing and an inspiration for if you're looking for just go out there and do something within your community off your own bat and your own will, then no further than Dave Gertler to be inspired by and this event has everything to show for it. So Steve, we'll get into some interviews, shall we?

Hey guys, it's Mike here from Space Wilders, I'm with... Mike. Mike and Mike. Yeah.

We've got our own podcast going here now. So you're from? I'm the producer of the hard-working all-star podcast Sporting Woods. And it's all about sport.

It's about cricket, but we do a lot of different sports. Okay, so you'll be loving it right now. Surely the cricket team did quite... Go there, sports team.

I'm not going to force you into cricket chat, I've got to be honest, I'm not a sports fan myself. Oh my God. In fact... Norway.

Yeah. We started the sports podcast as a way to get my mates to talk about sports in a very clear, clearly defined time slot. Are you the business brain? You got everybody together?

You did like a start-up for granted? Yeah, pretty much. We got it all together. They're just mates that enjoy talking about cricket and yeah, put it all together and basically once they start talking, they have very big difficulty stopping and I thought this would be a great idea to limit the sport chat in my life, but it absolutely blew it out because now not only do I have to listen to them talk in the room, record it, then I have to go back and listen to it when I edit it and cut out all the bits and make it all make sense.

So what editing tools are you using, like Reactor or the Adobe set? I use Logic Pro actually. Logic Pro? Yeah.

I find from program to program they're basically the same, so I can jump around. So I use Logic Pro just because I had it. You take a mic level and then add that in? What compressor are you using?

Compressor? I am mostly using, like I've got a mixing board which has an on-board compressor and then I just use the bad, awful, I'm sure they're lovely, the Logic Pro compressors, but I know some people get iffy if you don't have like a proper outside of the computer compressor. Wow. That's amazing.

So then for, what do you think that Castaway is going to do for folks like yourself in terms of distribution and recognition because you know, you put it up onto iTunes, Stitcher, whatever. What are you hoping for so we can get to the top of the list above the American podcasts? I think basically what Award Nights like the Castaways are going to do is let all the Australian podcasters know each other because especially before we even got the invite to this, there was no communication. None of the podcasts really talked to each other.

It was only if you knew them in real life, but now all of a sudden, like I've met people tonight and we go, yes, absolutely, we'll have you on the show. And you notice that in American podcasts a lot, they always have guests like, oh, here's such and such from so-and-so's podcast. But do you see yourself like there's the YouTuber guys, are we able to cross paths like if you released it in a YouTube format and then monetize, is that something of interest? I think we, this is where it all starts to sound crazy.

I think podcasting absolutely will overtake, you know, your YouTubes and whatnot. So you want to run ads inside of yours? What's your monetization? We're with Wooshka at the moment and they do ads or they're in the beta stage of doing ads.

But eventually, like ideally, yes, you'd love an advertiser that was specific to your product and loved your podcast and reached out to you and said, here's a million dollars. But yeah, it's still early days for podcasting. But you know, rising tide raises all ships. You know, as soon as like one Australian podcast starts to become really notable, I think they all sort of will.

Yeah, the recognition and this night actually proves that that's worth doing. And so industry should come to the table and be able to be a part of this movement. I think the biggest tell has been tonight at the event. How many other people are walking around going, wow, I didn't know how many people were in this.

Like literally, you forget that you can be just in a studio by yourself or in a bedroom or kitchen or whatever it may be. Steve and I record in a cupboard actually. Yeah, you just lose. I record in a bedroom, a spare bedroom.

But there's four of us. So it feels like a cupboard. That is so cool. So where can we catch you guys again?

We're Sportingwoods. We'll have episodes out soon. We're available everywhere. iTunes, podcast.

We're with Wooshka. But we're also on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and we have a new podcast coming out very soon called The Wallet Inspectors, which is not sport based. So I'm thrilled. Basically ask celebrities to like let us ruffle through their wallets and have a look and all of that.

That's fantastic. That's sort of like the equivalent of... Let me look at your C drive. Let's see what you got in your docs.

A little safer than asking to look at your C drive. We don't have to ask about search history because advertisers have got that already. Yes. Yes.

We're in the wrong business. Maybe us. We'll catch you later and thanks very much for being on the cast. No worries.

Thank you very much. Hi, it's Cullen here from the Eaton Magazine podcast and we do whiskey, wine, and food and we are a travel magazine and it's all about eat now, travel well. My secret little, my secret hidden thing is that I actually won a prize on the Royal Mile for Scotch tasting. Oh, did you really?

I've been to the Royal Mile many times. They gave me a prize because I got 16 out of 16. Okay, brilliant. And my mum did it and we both got drunk.

Yeah. That's my secret shame. But Scotch, all software developers drink Scotch. All right.

So we think we know what we like. What makes a good Scotch? Look, I think for me, a good Scotch is if I can smell that slowness. Right.

And I think you know what I mean. Yeah. If you... Got bandages or anything.

Well, no, but you just have to have that kind of, that sense of, I guess, you know, perhaps most people might think of slow food. You might relate to that. You know, a lovely piece of meat that's been in the oven on a really low temperature for hours and hours. You get that kind of hit, right?

That's the hit that you're looking for in your Scotch. With food all the time. But what about, you just, you want to listen to some Pink Floyd and you want to drink Scotch? Is that a thing?

You could be sitting there coding and you want to... Is that a thing? Of course it is. But let me throw a challenge into the mix.

Can I? Yes. Can I tell you what I'm into at the moment? Rum.

Rum? From Bundaberg? No. Spiced rum.

I love spiced rum. There's Morgans and all of that sort of stuff. It seems really popular right now. That's right.

It seems really popular right now, but there's some great little distilleries in Australia. So here's my challenge to your listeners. Find yourself an Australian or a New Zealand rum. A New Zealand rum?

I had an amazing spiced New Zealand rum last night at a fabulous bar in Sydney called The Peg Leg. And can I tell you, I was blown away. Really? Yeah.

Oh my goodness. So there's such a thing as a spiced Australian rum? Well, there is. And look, there's a big general sort of rum thing that comes out of Bundaberg shore, but we're actually doing some brilliant boutique rum.

You're talking to someone from Bundaberg, right? Right. Yeah. Which is great.

I mean, it's good rum. My dad built the distillery. Brilliant. That's good.

That's fine. Look, we love that. But in terms of some of the new stuff that's coming out, little boutique, this is what I want to encourage. You know, these new boutique, not only just whiskey and rums, but other little gins, Australian made.

That's what I'm talking about. You're a podcaster, you're here at the Castaway Awards, what's that mean to you now looking at the crowd? Because I'm completely shocked, like there's an actual movement, there's people. I was, Steve and I were like, do we go?

What's the, do we go? There's such an amazingly great crowd that you can talk to here, who are all excited about the audio medium. Look, I think for me, if I can answer that question in a different way, it's simply this, one of the things I found challenging about this was, if you want to talk about that podcasting introvert side of the story, which is we're, you're going to have a really confident, kind of easy conversation with people that is almost behind the scenes, right? Because we all know that as soon as you get the camera out, suddenly, do you know what happens?

People's voices change. They begin to sit upright, they breathe in, their chests or their, everything contracts. Once the camera's in front of them, they perform like seals, right? It's complicated.

And so, for me, I guess the challenge was, in a way, oh, if we're having an awards, how are our podcasters going to perform when they're so used to being behind the microphone? Dave's brought together such an eclectic, diverse group of people and bringing a light to the scene, I guess, or to this industry. Because most of the listeners out there would probably be choosing American podcasts or a cast that would be more appealing, but looking within ourselves in the Australian community, there's something to now enjoy and be aware of. I didn't know half of these podcasts until they were finalists or they were on the webpage and I can go look at them.

From the food scene, is it a discovery that there are so many people, not interested in food, but talking about food? Look, I think, for me, the big takeaway, really, the big takeaway for me, personally, I think the big takeaway can be for some people in terms of a podcasting thing is that, basically, this is the power, tonight is one thing, it is the power of one voice and I think you've almost nailed it. I think when you talk about the work that Dave's done to bring this community together is absolutely incredible and I think that's the untold story. I think it's kind of the untold story, even though we're here, he's trying to tell of every podcaster, every woman, every man that podcasts, basically, in some way, is doing what Dave does.

They're telling a story and they're bringing people together and I think this is incredible and I think it's tremendous, the work that he's done and I think he's kind of like standing up like a shining star. I mean, this is crazy stuff because, really, this hasn't happened in Australia before so I can talk about it. I can talk about it really openly and honestly. He's like a lighthouse, I think, and I think, for me, my life, I've met so many extraordinary people, women and men, who've just decided themselves to do one thing and we all know them.

We all know them in our own communities. It's just one woman, one man, who've decided, oh, I want to save that little schoolhouse or I want to do this and they've brought the entire community together to do that. Dave's done that and I think this has been tremendous. I think it's a game-changer.

How do we find you and follow up on how to eat and how to drink? Very easy. You just go to eatmag.com, which is E-A-T-T-M-A-G.com and that's it. You'll find all of our episodes there.

Pleasure chatting with you. Steve, we've just heard from Mike and Cullen and two, what you would say, directly opposite. You've got passion and interest in eating and obviously scotch and then you've got sports at the same time and they've got an interesting pun in their show title. We'll leave that up.

It's up to you. That's an exercise for the listener to work out the pun in the title of the first interview. But it seems that it's driven from people who are passionate about a topic and said, hmm, let's just record that. I know in our experience, we used to drive around the car and listen to comedians driving comedians getting coffee and then decided to record ourselves and thought, oh, that's a bit silly and then we did it.

That seems like most people's experience with it. Let's just record something. And then, obviously, overcoming the technical or imposing the apparent technical issues of getting a podcast recorded. Yes.

Well, we're still working on that one. Or even just the scripting along with that. So yeah, that's interesting. But I think it's interesting to hear journeys and there were a lot of people talking about their journey at the Castaway Awards, which tended to fascinate me.

So guys, we'll catch up with one of the winners. So this was the TV film and pop culture winner and it's Neighbours. Now when you go back and watch, and I urge you to watch the live recording, which is now on YouTube. So we'll have a link of that embedded in the show notes.

But the Neighbours recap podcast, Steve, was absolutely interesting because I felt that was a kind of sceptics podcast wrapped in wolves clothing as such. Someone who's, you know, a group of girls who love and have passion for Neighbours. But what they did is converted the storylines and made them kind of relate to normal life apart from ripping apart the actual plot lines themselves, which you'd find yourself doing in either forums online or I think that's the point of Reddit at the moment. Yes.

You'll hear this as we play the interview, but it's interesting they use, as you say, the storylines, often soap storylines are very over the top and unnecessary, but they still hit on their... social issues and dynamics and what's currently happening in the greater community. So what they do on Neighbours is use the plotlines that are happening on Neighbours as a moving off point to discuss these kind of issues and look at them sceptically. I mean, would someone really come back from the dead and pretend to be someone's long lost partner and then get all their money?

I don't really... this whole Dee storyline I'm not really following. You know Dee's back. Is she?

Or was back. Alright. But then it wasn't her. Spoilers.

But I mean, it's Neighbours, so who cares? But I think it's... Something like that. And she took Toadie's money and then somehow he ended up in London and Carl was there because Carl is everywhere.

You know, Dr. Carl? Did he apparate? It could be like a...

He's probably a wizard. Harry Potter? I mean, if you watch Neighbours, Carl Kennedy is like, specialises in every kind of medicine known to man. He's a GP, he's a surgeon, he's like gastroenterology, he does urology.

Science-based medicine? He does everything. Soap-based medicine, I think, is what he is. Oh, very good.

So get into the Neighbours, the Neighbours recap podcast. And then after this, we get a chance to hear from Dave himself. The podfather. The podfather, we shall call him.

You've come to me on the day of my daughter's podcast. Please Godfather, I need more social media followers. In the afterglow. You've been good to me.

Standing by the stage. You're just ignoring my terrific Marlon Brando impression, Mike. I'm just moving on. And we'll get to hear from Dave, so standby caller, here we go.

Hi, I'm Veya from Neighbours, the Neighbours recap podcast. Hey guys, it's Mike here, I'm with Veya from the Neighbours. So, what is Neighbours about? My God, let me know.

It's amazing, so many geeks out there are going, who are these people? Well, you can tell the story. Well, geeks love a niche, so we talk about a soap opera, and we use a lot of the crazy plot lines to springboard off of stuff that's going on in our lives, social issues, like we call out sexism on the show if we see it, and disability representation and diversity and all this stuff. At the heart of it, we really just make fun of a TV show.

There's sort of critical thinking going on there, because you're analysing it and bringing it back to real life and politics? Is that where the heart is? Yeah, I mean, it's a comedy podcast at the end of the day, but a lot of times I climb onto my soap box and go, right, this is what I'd like to say about this consent storyline. Wow, so normally we tackle issues like anti-vaxxers, homeopathy, naturopathy, so there's definitely a sceptics aspect to space welders, but it's the story behind the story that we try to get to in a natural conversation.

But who would have thought that Neighbours could make that happen? I mean, here am I just staring at it blindly, switching off. Well, actually, yeah. Actually, anti-vaxxers is a great storyline.

I reckon Sonia would be a good character that could make that one work. Actually, just recently, a couple of weeks ago, there was a scene with two women in bed together, and I just thought, that never happens on Aussie soaps, on Aussie TV. I don't think Home and Away does anything like that. But Neighbours has a gay main character on the main cast, and another main character who's bisexual, and another character who's in the closet, and there's still a lot of steps they need to take with the way they portray those types of stereotypes.

They can move into the cliché territory, but the fact that they're even trying is amazing. Where do you think, with Netflix and all of the streaming media going, because there's now some very compelling shows coming on, and we're rejecting, you know, scripted storylines is coming back. We've got the money to do this now. Is it something that you could perceive that Neighbours moves into over time?

Well, there's something to be said. I see Neighbours sometimes as event television, because I like to live-tweet it. And there's not many shows that I go, right, 6.30 every night, I'm turning on the TV, my friends are going to be on the internet, we're all going to talk about it at the same time. And there's hardly any shows that that happens with.

And so with streaming, a lot of the time you binge it all at once. When the Gilmore Girls reboot dropped, a lot of people around the world were watching all of that at the same time, which was amazing. But a lot of times you're just trying to consume as much of these new programs as you can all at once, so you can catch up and be in the know and talk to people about it. But there's something really nice to just have something every night to tune into.

I never thought about that. That's actually a compelling point, because we often have a media section on the cast, and we're talking about things that we've seen, like on Netflix and so on. And I generally see TV through the eyes of my wife, who's watching. What to me is, I sort of turn off blankety-blanks, it's like, what are you watching?

But she wants to talk about this with somebody, but she can't do it at the same time in real time. And TV presents to us a real-time opportunity. And there's still time zones come into play. So the UK is about six hours behind Australia.

So often we're walking that line between not wanting to spoil the Brits, but also they still want to get a bit of a scoop before they see the show. Even when shows drop, often we're a few hours behind the US, so you've still got to walk that line. And also Neighbours does do really good stuff on the digital platform. So they have a character who's a vlogger, and they have a vlog that she records, and that's on YouTube only.

So on YouTube they have a character who vlogs? On the show she vlogs, which we don't really see the vlog much on the show. We see her every now and then picking up her phone and recording something. But then they script a little standalone vlog that you can go on YouTube and watch, and she'll go, here's what happened to me this week, and she'll reference the storyline.

That's a really interesting point. I didn't think that normal shows would then engage with social media, but it's the character who's in the show engaging with social media, and getting the social media mind sort of blown. Yeah, and the digital team's really proactive about a lot of that stuff, and they've done a couple of web series now. They did a Neighbours vs.

Zombies a couple of years ago, which was hilarious, and they got some funding for that and did a really good job of it. And then recently they did a summer series while the show was on hiatus, and they put a lot of work into their digital content. So I think they do really well at keeping up with trends, even though they're not necessarily able to go, let's just put out 7,000 episodes on Netflix all at once. But there's probably scope to do that.

You could run original recipe late-'80s Neighbours. Well, I think the binge-worthy back catalogue is worthwhile, because Star Trek is on there and you can just go back and watch it at length and whatever you want to do. So I kind of think that is a perfect medium. But congratulations winning tonight.

It would have been a shock. Being in the finalists with ourselves, being the finalists, it was a shock. We didn't expect to win or anything like that. We just wanted to be a part of what Dave was trying to create.

It's a lovely community, and Dave seems like a great guy. And I think we need to nurture each other, because a lot of us are doing this for free, and we're relying on other people to spread the word, because it's not like we have publicity budgets. So the more we can help each other, the better. This is really social media-driven, also platform-driven as well.

Does platform worry you? Like, oh, we just published to iTunes and we wait for iTunes to give us the nod? Because this now will make iTunes put you number one. Surely that's going to happen.

Well, I didn't even think of that. It's still really niche. There's still a lot of my closest friends that are like, but I don't watch Neighbours. Why would I listen to that?

And I've got to explain to them, we talk about other stuff too. But even if we get a handful more people that check us out and want to come and join the party, that would be brilliant. So in terms of, you know, it's an all-girl podcast, what's that like? Great.

Well, we do have male guests, token male guests, but it's really, it always is really rewarding to, because you hear, I just saw a news article a couple of weeks ago about how podcasting is a male-dominated field, but I'm in a male-dominated field. I work for TV and I used to work in radio and I used to do comedy, so I'm kind of used to being the only woman in the room sometimes, so it's uplifting to go, I'm my own boss here, I'm producing this, I get to decide what goes to air and what makes the cut, and I'm across all the technical aspects myself and I'm constantly learning. And so we could be in the minority, it's really brilliant to just be a really strong minority and, yeah, men are always welcome to watch Neighbours and come and have a yarn about it. We did an episode with Junk Time, an AFL podcast, two comedians, Rosie and Chambo, and they just came on and tore it to shreds and it was a great time.

So, yeah. I think that that makes a good podcast. I think finding the way to have a conversation and having that moment when everyone's gelling in that conversation. Podcasting is all about finding the story and when I first started out in community radio, someone just said to me, everything's a story.

Everything's a story. What you have for breakfast, that's a story. And it is. So even if you pick any niche topic and you can use that as a bouncing off point and make it into a story and have it lead you somewhere.

I think it's amazing that you're here and a great showcase and a place to demonstrate to everybody that podcasting Australia is a very valid and alive community. Thank you. I'm really keen to check you guys out and get some new favourite podcasts in my feed. So amazing to talk to you two this evening.

Congratulations once again and thank you very much. Nice to meet you. So where can we get you again? Neighbourspod.com It's Michael Spacewell.

Hi. Welcome. I got to hear, I wanted to say thank you. Thank you to you.

Oh wow. I can't believe we're here on the other side and what does it feel like? You've accomplished it now. Your dream, your journey, it's continuing.

But look at the amount of people here. I know, the numbers hopefully speak for themselves and hopefully everyone had a good time and the awards themselves were almost just an excuse to get so many people together. I met some guy who was doing food and he was telling me about amazing Scotches to drink. Okay.

It's incredible. There's so many diverse people here to meet but all passionate about one thing. Absolutely, yeah. But you brought them together.

I did, hey, I did. I guess I did. I'm still feeling like it's a very surreal, like from the start of the night to the end, basically this whole day has felt quite surreal. The journey to get there is mind-blowing and you've put everything into this.

I have and I've also, me putting everything into this wasn't enough. It's the other people that have helped me to get through this. And just to have all of the different skills around you to lead a team, you're going to impact this industry for sure. I definitely think that.

I think there's a real movement, a vibe that I can see here. You cannot but help talk to people about their passion and their direction and that's what's on showcase tonight. Congratulations to you. Thanks a lot.

You need the utmost respect in everyone to really stand up and give you applause. Thanks a lot. I feel like I've gotten more than enough props from everyone. I definitely feel very validated in what I've done for sure.

I'm looking forward to just waking up tomorrow morning and it's like, I did this, we did this and just enjoying the impact that it hopefully makes. Look, people, and congratulations to you for being a finalist as well. It's amazing. Every category, the finalists were all so different.

Your category as well, Future Sandwich is like... Space Welders is like a conversation that happens. Future Sandwich is like a highly produced podcast and Diffusion Science Radio is a one-man show but it's like a news reading kind of thing but it's also really well produced. They're all so different and there was so much diversity within each category.

I think the thing about podcasting is it's like you and I right now. We're having that conversation. I feel like I'm with you. So for the Space Welders, we're in the car, we're in the cubicle, we're on the train and these are the things that we want to talk about.

We want to hear people talking about the things that matter to us and the diversity matters. The fact is that I've got all of this to talk to you now but the point is that there's so much American content. I know that there's going to be amazing push now to try and get this momentum in this industry for Australia moving. Where to next?

Is it about engaging with ABC or SBS or those folks? How do you get to cast away 2.0? I don't know. I think this is just like literally casting out the net.

It's done. Hopefully, it's inspired some people and I guess we'll connect in a year's time and see where the industry's at then. I hope that having an award puts it in people's minds that there is an award and that they have that to look forward to and work towards and we'll see where the industry takes us. I can only thank you from every podcaster that's out there.

So small or tiny, dream big. Get a microphone and start talking because you could be there at Cast Away next year. Absolutely. Thank you very much, Dave.

I thank you, Hank, because you're amazing. Thanks a lot, man. Thanks. The takeaway from Cast Away is apart from gathering all the podcasters into one place and everyone staring at each other.

It makes it very easy to take them all out with one go. Have we got... You know how the Royal Family has lines of succession all the way down to everyone possible somewhere in the Royal Family? There's too many intelligent people in the room at once.

Is there a line of succession to podcasting? It could be. Who takes over? If Maynard carks it, who takes over the Planet Maynard podcast?

Do we have a written down line and where do we fall on that line? I'm sure there's a lineage of sceptics all ready to line up. They've got an army ready to go. It's an army of sceptics.

They cannot be stopped. They cannot be stopped. They're robo-sceptics. I think one of the things I'd like to hope from this event is that it attracts the bigger players into this arena.

So you've got Spotify and iTunes and obviously put together, maybe they might have a list of all of the podcast Australians, Cast Away Award winners in one group or put them to the top of the list. Spotify already does have podcasts in it. I think only on the phone app. It's really weird.

And they're also only doing it invitation only. So they've got all the normal big ones, which is kind of the problem that you're talking about. Things like this really help with the profile of smaller podcasts like ours and we appreciate everyone who listens to the podcast and interacts and emails us and tweets us. So it just shows that it's not just five or six big players out there.

There's a lot of these little podcasts that can be very compelling to listen to. And I think we talked about this when we had Dave on the show a few weeks ago. If there's an interest you have, there's very likely a little podcast run out of a bedroom somewhere in Western Sydney that talks about it. So, Steve, moving on, we're going to continue on space welding, I think.

All right, then. Yeah, right. We've got to get back out. Put the helmet back on.

Turning to some media, I see that Rick and Morty have now dropped the first episode in the season. Best reverse April Fool's joke in history. Yes. Everyone's like, Rick and Morty's live.

I was like, no, it's the first of April. Don't be stupid. Hang on. Hang on, yeah.

I saw it on Reddit and I couldn't believe it. And then suddenly, there's a link to the episode. So go out and watch that. So that's a bit of homework for next week.

Of course, we've got more happening next week, more attempt to get presenters on with us. We've got people lined up. It's just timing that matters. But we've got so much to talk about.

Like, I'm pretty sure Steve will have a thing or two to say about selling web browser history and the rise of the VPN. I'm pretty sure people like TunnelBear, if you don't have stocks in TunnelBear, probably buy stocks in TunnelBear. I think it's a private company, isn't it? Yeah, well, they might IPO at some stage.

I've got SSH. I'll set up a tunneling system for you. You can just contact me at info at SpaceWelders.com. I'll save your history.

I think when I was chatting with Maynard, he was very worried about that. So, Maynard, if you're listening, come listen to our podcast. We'll explain what to do next. If you're trying to hide from everybody, then VPN and SSH is probably the way to go.

So more chat coming up on SpaceWelders, and stay tuned for more. So, Steve, if you want more podcasts, how would you ask for it? You can ask for it by writing us a reply paid envelope with your address on the back. Please enclose 50 cents for postage and handling, and then we'll get back to you within six to eight weeks.

Isn't it a locked bag? Locked bag, 223 PO Box. I don't know. I don't even know what a locked bag is.

What is a locked bag? I don't know. Presumably, it's a bag with a padlock on it. Saturday morning TV shows, when you wanted to send in a picture of your favourite presenter, which you did.

And enclose 25 cents postage and handling to get a reply. That's right. Alternatively, head over to www.spacewelders.com, where you'll find the show notes and the links for this episode and the previous episode, and all the way back to episode one, where you can hear us ramble on then as well. You can follow us on Twitter, twitter.com slash spacewelders.

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Make sure you leave a rating and a comment and a like and a favourite and a message on the ground and a graffiti and stickers with that stuff that doesn't come off the back. You know, it's really annoying. Make sure you head over to the Castaway Awards website. That's castawayawards.com to check out some of the other podcasts that were featured on the night.

and everyone else that entered. Who knows, you might find something you like other than us. Let's be honest, we'll always be your first love. And finally, if you have any questions, comments or feedback, email us info at spacewilders.com.

So guys, thanks very much for listening once again to Space Wilders. Thank you very much to Dave and the Castaway Awards team. Congratulations to all of the winners of Castaway Awards and to all those who have entered into the Castaways and Long Live Podcasting in Australia. Steve, mic out.

You cannot stop us now.