Now three laws safe, Steve

Hey guys, it's time for another episode of Space Welders. Episode 81, recorded Friday 19th of May 2017. Now three laws safe, Steve. With your hosts, Mike Wise and Steve Rogers.

Yes, not to worry. We will now no longer be attacking all humans. Yes, indeed. Unless, of course, we can bring out the internationally recognised legal offence known as, it's just a prank, bro.

It's just a prank. It's a law. It's just a prank. It's in the constitution.

It's in the constitution. Look it up. Educate yourself. Yeah, the whole Trump presidency is built on, it's just a prank by, someone's going to come around and go, la la, we were just joking six months in.

And we've been away for a little bit, we're just busy at the moment. So we're busy playing with our spinner. The new thing. I don't know if you hear it, Steve.

Come on Steve, join in. It's a spinner. It's the fidget spinner. It's the new thing.

It's a hunk of plastic on a ball bearing. Listen to it. There it is. It's gone.

It's for OCD people. That's pretty much the entire software development community. Want to annoy everyone who sits around you? Check it out.

It's like, let it rip. Want to knock your microphone such that Steve has to cut it out in post-production? Then get a fidget spinner. I'll tell you what though, it's an exercise in capitalism because the pop-up shops are everywhere.

Are they? Oh, yeah. They're like, someone has recognised it, oh my god, this is a product popular with ten to thirteen year old boys. Quick!

Put the shops out! Quick! The boys actually want to buy something from shops and not just play video games. Quick!

I drop off my daughter at school and they're just everywhere. All the kids have got them. For something that's probably fifty cents to produce, how much are they selling them for? They're like five bucks.

They've got to be five bucks at least. My mother-in-law got in on this. She rocks on it and says, the kids must have these. The kids must be placated.

You know what I grew up with, Steve? We must bow to their will or they will take over. It's like the elder gods. It's like children will actually destroy the universe, that's why you've got to always give in to their demands and what they want, otherwise they'll rise up.

I grew up with a piece of string. You put a piece of string either side through your hands and then you make little interesting loops and things. And then the piece of paper that you sort of fold and then you open and it has inspirational statements when you fold them out. That's what we had.

Nothing. We used to live here then and I had nothing. We used to live in this tiny old tumbledown house with great big holes in the roof. House?

You were lucky to live in a house. We used to live in one room, all 26 of us, no furniture, half the floor was missing. We were all huddled together in one corner for fear of falling. You were lucky to have a room.

We used to have to live in the corridor. Oh, we used to dream of living in a corridor. Would have been a palace to us. You know, Steve, it's been a while and there's lots happening, at least the news is something to talk about.

And there's plenty to talk about. There's Microsoft Build 2017, there's the Nvidia thing where they introduced that thing which is going to take us over. Of course Google I.O. was on.

They've managed to squeeze another 20,000 billion processors out of a chip. And then the NHS hack, which is the WannaCry, came out and that was pretty good because Dan Okto, who we previewed a couple of episodes ago, what he does for Shits and Giggles is he takes viruses, puts them onto a spare computer and just records on screen what actually happens. And so he had a massive demand to record those. You know the best part about, and we'll talk about this probably in a little bit, but the best part about that whole saga was it revealed just how many government computers and servers and systems still run XP or unpatched versions of Windows.

Come on. Look, the problem here is the NHS. If you've ever been, have you had a scan recently and looked at the operating system that's being used? And this is a great advocate for containerized application delivery with hardware, meaning no operating system or a meta operating system.

But existing NHS equipment still runs on Windows XP because there was kind of like a terminal version of it that they deployed with a piece of hardware. And the market was largely, largely for budgetary reasons, let's be honest. The reality is, is like, okay, so this thing is delivered by email. It's not really because software only runs on it, or probably software only runs on XP because they don't have the budget to update the software.

Well, the hard, the machinery that's coming with it, like, you know, if you're going to get a scan, you've got your baby scan coming up, that's on Windows, it's on a Windows XP operating system, most of the stuff. I remember last time when I had it was years and years ago, but the other issue, the other The saving grace of this one, it was quickly averted because there was a kill switch inside of the malware. So we were talking also a couple of weeks ago that, I think it was Australia Post or one Australian organization was sending phishing emails to see who would actually fall for it. And it seems like lots of people would fall for it.

And it seems like the entirety of NHS must have fallen for this one. They've literally gone into an email, clicked and ran an executable. Well, the difference with the Wanna, so it's called WannaCry, WannaCrypt, I believe is the encryption program that the virus used to encrypt your files. And it would then throw up a thing saying, your files are encrypted, pay us ransom, like 50 Bitcoin and you'll get them back.

The difference with this one is you only needed to have one person on a network fall for the initial phishing or the initial virus, and it would disseminate, disseminate, disseminate, disseminate. No, that's not the right word. Spread, let's say. Spread throughout a connected network.

Even if you had a firewall blocking the network, it would infect the network. So you didn't need to have 50 people in an organization fall for it. You only needed one person to fall for it. And if you had unpatched or old systems, so unpatched Windows 7 and Windows 10 or Windows XP, it would spread through the SMB protocol, the Windows File System protocol, to other computers on the network.

And that's why it spread so quickly over the course of a couple of days. But it also meant it was reasonably easy to contain once they discovered the kill switch, which was, it would check a domain name. And if the domain name was registered, it would stop. So the researchers just registered the domain name.

Yeah, and that seemed to quell the updates. Another interesting thing. And then more got out without that kill switch. The domain name, by the way, if you wanted to know, it's www.iuqerfsodp9ifjaposdfjhgosurifaewrwergea.com.

So go check it out. It's an easy one. I'll go there and book holiday. The interesting bit is that Windows...

That's someone. They've just done this, right? They've gone, I need a kill switch. Done.

Shall we have a kill switch? Yeah. What happens if it infects us? We need a kill switch.

But with Windows 10, you cannot turn off updates. On Windows... Well, 2016. We looked at this.

Windows 10... Server 2016, you can't. Under professional. Under professional.

You can't. Professional Enterprise and Education, you can. However, you need to do it through the Group Policy Editor or the Registry Editor, which the home version of Windows 10 does not have. The idea being that if you're using Enterprise, then most of the time you're on a domain network and your IT domain controller is trusted, at least for now, to manage your updates for you.

But I mean, how long until they take that away as well? Let's be honest. We had an issue this week where one of our servers decided to restart to install updates because we hadn't turned it off. That was fun.

It's like when you... Cue the 50 phone calls. Why isn't it working? Windows.

Windows. They should have an option in Azure to say, when we install the server, do you want updates whether or not? And so... The answer is always no.

I don't want it. That's why I want it. And then you get WannaCry because nobody updates their servers. So I don't know.

Humans these days. What they need to do is get with the non-restartable updates. So being able to install an update without having to restart your computer. That's the main issue that people don't install updates, especially on mission critical servers is they don't or they can't restart the server.

We bitched and whinged about the whole Microsoft pushing you onto Windows 10. Like there is for good reason because at the moment there's massive backlash against Microsoft to say, why are you letting this go unpatched? And they're like, we patched it in March when we first heard of it and you didn't update. So it's not our fault.

It's not our fault. It's your operating system. And they're like, well, if you patched and then so on and so forth. So there's this whole cycle going back around again.

But you know, it'll quiet down and something else will happen. Like the death of MP3, Steve, apparently. Well, it depends on who you talk to, really. So the good old MP3.

The days of MP3.com. Did you ever go to MP3.com? No. That was like the first.

Oh, warezing of MP3? Not even warezing. It was literally just download a song. A list of songs.

Not that I ever did this, of course, dear listener. But it was a list of songs that you went right click, save file as, and it would just download an MP3. The first MP3. I believe it was pre-Napster.

What was your first MP3? Mine was, I think it was Blur, one of the tracks, the Woohoo song from Blur. Song 2. Song 2.

Song 2 by Blur. First MP3 song. Can you remember? Let me look back through my iTunes purchase history, Mike, of course.

Oh, absolutely. Everyone, no, well, you had the CDs and you were ripping them and you spent your Sunday evenings collating and updating and finding things that would update the ID tags. And the different versions of ID tags. Oh, I spent hours ID tagging.

I hope you also appreciate, dear listener, that I ID tag every episode of Space Welders. If you've never noticed. Yes, you do. Every episode is ID tagged.

You better appreciate that. Let me tell you, so many things are not. It's like the assembly details in .NET that people don't do. We previously were looking at using MP3 on websites before, and the licensing cost is actually quite high if you want to have MP3 used.

Right, that's something that people don't realise is that MP3 is a licensed, or used to be until recently, a licensed compression algorithm is really, is essentially what it is, what it comes down to. It's not a, it's not like a format like JPEG or GIF, which is like a standard. MP3 is in and of itself a licensed compression algorithm to the MPEG-3 standard, I guess. So what's happened recently is, and I mean, the licensing was never really enforced, let's be honest, apart from people who were doing loads of it.

Normal people exporting to MP3 really didn't have much of a problem with it. But what's happened this week is, so the company Fraunhofer Institute, I'm guessing it's German, who were the company that managed the licensing for the MP3 format, has announced that they're basically no longer licensing the MP3 format. And are instead pushing people towards AAC, which is the next one they own, because of course they are. It's still lossy, that means it's, you know, it's compressed.

And FLAC is the one that's a compression, but it's no loss, generally for what the audiophiles and professional people probably use. They still includes the bit rates of 128, 192 and 256 kilobits, so it still produces the same amount of quality audio. But I mean, streaming is the dominant force right now. It's like, have you used and opened an MP3 lately or not?

Well, I think most people, MP3s are still the domain of the lower quality audio where lossiness is not really a factor. Hence most podcasts are exported to MP3. We export the Space Warriors podcast to MP3 because for a spoken word medium, a little bit of lossy in the compression does not really make much of a difference. Well, the dynamic range, you wouldn't human ear does notice, and that's what the MP3 algorithm plays on.

Yeah. Whereas I suspect most streaming services like Spotify and iTunes and all the rest of them have already moved to AAC, or which comes in the MP4, so if you see an MP4, that's AAC. That's the container for the AAC codec. The new hotness and talking about hotness, we've got a lot to talk about.

There's three different roundups, three different conferences that have happened. Microsoft Build 2017, Satya Nadella came out. The thing that's between Microsoft, NVIDIA and Google AI rules, AI is just going to take over. It's the intelligent edge of the cloud, conversations as a platform, Satya Nadella was on fire, and they were talking about how distributed AI and serverless computing was going to rock the world.

And we've heard that from just about everybody this year is moving on with that messaging, even in Google IO, where they're still saying, we're organizing the world's information. We've got 800 plus, was it a million active users? Some ridiculous numbers, but they're now using a lot of deep learning to train and understand all of the sort of diverse data formats that are out there, and then what they're trying to do is bring it back into the home or bring it back into places where you would use it other than just simple virtual assistants. So in Google IO, you know, they were also, one of the interesting things they pointed out in the conference is AutoML.

So they were getting their AI to train other AI to make better AI. They're literally doing that. So it's very expensive to train a tree. Isn't that how Terminator started, like the AI started making AI?

Better AI. Well, you know. Isn't that kind of... Yes, they're trying to improve the way that their TensorFlow or ways of doing the form of compute they want by training other AI to do it better for them.

And, you know, meanwhile over in the NVIDIA camp, they can't make now, they're at a point where they said, look, we just can't make the wafers any smaller and they compress enough transistors into this thing any smaller. Just a wafer-thin transistor. Just a wafer-thin. Oh, sir, it's only a tiny little thin one.

So anyway, build 20, Microsoft build 2017. The second Monty Python reference in an episode. It is. We're doing pretty well.

Fantastic. So they were basically saying, well, we're moving away from mobile. First year mobile's great. That was a great message, but we're really into this AI stuff.

And they were demonstrating a whole bunch of Azure-based services, which you can access and then leverage that sort of capability. One of the freakiest things I've ever seen in a demo, and they had like sets that people had constructed so that you can see the technology in action. One of them in particular was, we've spoken about this as well on the podcast, it was one of the, there's like Google's AI, which can look at video and it can look at pictures and tell you whether there's people in it, whether there's someone wearing a suit, whether there's a cat, whether there's a dog. Microsoft have got a similar sort of thing that's in real time looking at camera feeds.

And the demo that this lady does is about five minutes in, I'll include links to all of this stuff in our show notes in the website as usual, but five minutes in, they're demonstrating how you can be used in the workplace. And this is interesting stuff. It's actually looking at people who are authorized to use equipment in an industrial setting. So one of the things they were doing, they were introducing a new employee, they were certifying that that new employee could operate certain equipment.

And then they had an uncertified or an unauthorized employee come in, use that equipment, and the AI kicked off an alert to say there's unauthorized usage going on. Now that's serious stuff. If that's all, then applications which are being driven from Azure cloud services, which could access in the near term, that's some crazy stuff. I mean, what could we not be authorized to use, Steve?

The welders, the fluxing equipment, I presume. The planet-destroying super weapon that's down the hall, room 27B, the store entry code is 1234. It's really easy to remember, it's the same combination as my luggage. Is it?

Oh yeah, so you sort of click, click, click, click. The other is they're putting Cortana in a box, so just like everybody else. I know that Apple are trying to put Siri in a box. What's in the box?

No one puts Siri in the corner. They demonstrated a couple of motor, that really cool motor neuron tool that lady produced. And then we had the Azure CLI. So that was being demonstrated, but they put Bash, so they allowed you to access the Azure CLI in quotes, which is actually Bash, Shell, and be able to run Shell commands from within your web browser.

Like, that's new. But they put it into the various Android and iPhone applications, so you can access Azure services and monitor Azure services from an app, which is really interesting. They also spoke about the Visual Studio for Mac. I know we're personally waiting on the next, the update for Visual Studio 2017.

One of the side conversations from Build 2017 for the .NET folks is all about Standard 2, and what Standard 2 is. If you don't know where .NET is going and .NET Core is going, basically, they're trying to... I don't think they do either, to be honest. No, they kind of do.

They're basically trying to mash all of the APIs together that are available to us into one. There was a whole kerfuffle this week about, I don't even really understand it, something about the new one requiring the full framework or not requiring the full framework. Yeah, that's the problem. It was a whole big thing, and I don't really understand it, but apparently it got resolved, so yeah.

Good on those people. Good on those people for doing that thing that nobody understood, apart from about three people. Scott Hanselman did a brilliant presentation. He was just lighting up the crowd with all of the good stuff.

He was talking about Azure CLI Mobile, Visual Studio for Mac, so there's a full Visual Studio for Mac. And then, last but not least, they've now got a translator for PowerPoint presentations, which I've been dying for. I always want to abuse people in PowerPoints, in a different language. That's pretty cool.

And you can interact with this service. Is it like the doctor's psychic paper, like it displays something different to each person depending on what they want? Yeah, so it translates as you're delivering the PowerPoint. Translates the language and text so that other people can read what the hell's going on and they can type text in and it It's sort of like, you know The Skype you can talk in different languages and type in different languages to each other and still be in You know Skype chatting around so that that's pretty cool.

But then Move later early in the week. We've got the Nvidia. So they released a new whole new chip They call it Volta with tensor core. We'll talk about tensor, but they've said that with this particular chip, it's a 12 inch Wafer it's about Yeah, but it they've said literally You know, it's at the limits of photolithography So they they cannot pack in any harder.

So the Moore's law is now we're at the limits of big long words We're at the more. Yeah, but the limit of big long words. We had to find new ones We're gonna have to come up with nano tensor morphography or whatever. It was called.

Yes. What did you say? No, I don't lithography. That's the one.

No, no photo lithography tensor can core Consumable vector geometric this one's a flow this will but the this doesn't mean much for gamers right now It means much for gamers later on because I'll have a new 10. Then what would it be the 1090? What's now 1080 something 10? No, it'll it'll probably be the 1180 1180.

Yeah, they'll basically I don't know why I don't know why they've settled into like the 70 and 80 sub-series, but it'll yeah So because we had the 970 the 980 they didn't have a 990 and then it was the 1070 in the 1080 It'll probably be the 1180. Yeah, because you often hear tens of flow. This has got tens of core So all all tens are it really means it's just a way of describing linear relations between geometric Vectors scalars and other tender tensors, but that doesn't really mean much But it means means it when you talk about fuse multiply add operations So floating point operations and you try to multiply them and then you add them to an accumulator But what they're doing is not just one of those what we do it in the olden days They've got like 4x4 matrices and then they've got two of them and they process large amounts of floating point information really really quickly is it like the w-12 engine on on the That be Gatti Veyron. Yeah, well, they just got to v6 engines and bolted them together in the middle I don't know remember back in the olden days Steve with the 486 and you know, I'll be able to get like it All right, so you got the GoPro?

If anyone here should have the fidget spinner, it's me Somehow you have it But the thing is is that with them but they've got about 5,000 processor cores in this thing It does have cooter as well, which is the same which gaming engines use for shaders and things But they can shift like 64-bit floating-point operations 7.5 teraflops of 64-bit floating-point operations That's crazy. Anyway, they that means that they can do 64 FMA's per clock times Which is the forum four times the amount of cooter today? So it's a 4x and improvement on what cooter does now So we can see gaming is just going to be completely and utterly different and within the year What have you seen ours is just going to be movie quality Like as if it was being rendered in front of you The other things that they showed off and the video was the holodeck, which is a bit wanky But you kind of obvious if you got this sort of power, what would you do with it? You would probably improve via Experiences with really nice rendered.

They showed off an example of an engineering Have we talked about the Star Trek holodeck before we've spoken about how it's like you you think and I hope The thing that the holodeck and and I hope they do it for whatever technology this becomes it seems really unsafe Like you'd think that would be the ultimate Reason for a sandbox environment. Yeah, so nothing you can do inside the holodeck Let's throw it out there. For example takes over the entire system of the rest of the enterprise Just throwing it out there. Like why would you be able to create a sentient being?

Inside the holodeck that can then exist outside of the holodeck. That's to mess your shit up It's it's it's obviously the people that created the holodeck. They built it They would the clearly developers they built it and then they just went ship it That's just so you can strip off and they can all their project managers said ship it and the developers like oh We got to put in the safety. Does it work or not?

well Yes, okay ship it And then they put it on the enterprise the new end of the Enterprise D when they were building it They gave it to Picard and they said go on Picard and Picard went make it show and then they went off into the far Reaches of space and then v2 they fixed all of the all of the security issues That's why the holodecks on ds9 don't have as many issues as the holodecks on the Enterprise might because they were the next version because They were newer was a version of the holodeck. That's that it is there is now it's canon officially You heard it here first, right? That's why because being of being an in-place space station meant they could eat more Update than where an enterprise is all flying around it only comes back to earth when the earth is in peril Which is every other episode clearly true. Yeah.

So anyway, they also just a cap off from no video They showed off some really cool deep learning stuff for ray tracing Which basically means that they can render a picture sooner than later and it's less blurry. That's great But moving on to then Google they they had a whole bunch of things I mean they had updates for Google photo Google lens Google home Google assistant As I said auto ML for creating AI creating better AI They had more telling you about their deep learning and what they're currently doing and now fantastic deep learning is they had YouTube YouTube passed a billion hours of day a billion hours a day of upload or something like this or serving The super chat thing which fell on its ass. I think a lot of people saw that on various media streams a couple of weeks Android were passed two billion devices activated and they're starting to talk about Talk to app developers about building for billions lots and lots and lots of apps Their AI which they're moving on with they've also introduced job search now into Google search itself. So Google will find you the next job To move on with and then last but not least and this is jetbanes and jetbanes jetbane of my life kotlin, which is a Thing that runs on Java as a language on the JVM Is now a thing they're making it first-class for Android and so jetbrains Jetbrains is going to be bought out by Google for sure.

They're just sort of like toying with them or something So everybody's using something to jetbrains if you're coding you probably got jetbrains something something PHP Something something JavaScript something something so jetbrains. It's huge. They were there Kicking kicking goals. So it's she was a big week of just have they decided to have they decided to use Rosalyn yet?

For the next version of reshuffle their mono to the their mono to the ground You look at any of the unity programming stuff. It's just like let's extend mono behavior. Let's just put an update in there Let's write some stuff. We'll see how that goes What is I a year or two reload the app domain run it in the idea you done?

That's what unity's when the new when Visual Studio 2017 can do half the things that we shall we can do Yeah, you don't think at a certain point they start looking around going Do we make the right choice? Best things about Rosalyn is the tree and working with the tree and writing your own code in the tree and interpreting the tree We don't have to pass and tokenize and edited it It's already done there for you and you handing it to another getting the compiler to run it and doing it You know in that sort of loose loose loose loose way Lucy Goosey guys. It's time for some media I said this week's print pretty interesting a couple of new trailers and and things come out We've seen some movies and in our time, but Steve the awful the awful Orville the Orville came out as a trailer. Oh, it wasn't that bad.

It was it's Yeah, okay it this is It's not a family guy in space to keep it. Nice. This is galaxy quest. It is galaxy TV show Yes as made by Seth MacFarlane.

Yes Which kind of tells you everything you need to know apparently Seth MacFarlane is a huge Trekkie Like ridiculous like he wanted a he wanted a part in Star Trek discovery And they didn't let him or he might have a cameo or something as dead person lying on so he basically gone to Fox and said I carried you billions of dollars with family guy and American dad and whatever else he's done Let me make a Star Trek show So they've let him make a Star Trek show and it's called the Orville Which is I'm assuming the name of the ship and he's the captain of the Orville But he's kind of he's not he's not Picard or Kirk. He's not it's very dysfunctional You know Picard and Kirk are the best captains in the fleet and they're hugely respected by everybody There's a part in the trailer where the Admiral's like we asked everyone else and you're the last person That we ask so we have to use you we don't want to so it remains to be seen I mean family guy was funny at first and then it kind of got a bit stale So it remains to be seen I watch a few episodes, too. I don't know. It seems fun Well, it seems it's it's just his humor is a bit awkward because it's like these gaps of silence where it's not really funny But it's kind of then it's nice to be his humor his humor is humor is good for animation Yes, because you can have the really quick cutaways Yeah, which is most of what his humor is think of all the cutaway jokes in family guys and vicious jokes, too They're not yeah, whereas when you're saying it live action You're saying the joke and then you can't just immediately smash cuts to the next joke Well, I guess you can if you're doing a YouTube vlog But on a TV on a proper professionally made and edited TV show you can't do that professionally made Star Trek discovery put their Trailer out.

It's absolutely spectacular production except they've redesigned the goddamn Klingons again Is that what that was about? They were I don't get that Oh, we've encountered the client before the Klingons the Klingons look weird They look like the dudes from apparently the story is war The story is they're meant to be like proto Klingons like Klingons before the Klingons You puberty prepubescent Klingons, but you know the original the original series They're wearing like, you know, these shirts driving around a moped. Well, the original series Klingons were kind of like Fu Manchu big long mustachioed Things and then the next generation Klingons you had wolf. They were dark-skinned warrior with the ridged forehead Now they're like, I don't even know Some I think to me they look like the aliens out of Gears of War 3 I was like as gear was a war in this now, they're doing a crossover.

No, that's what they're Klingons. I didn't get that at all I don't I don't know it's but it's pretty good. It does everything you think the trailer does it's something something something It's clearly a product of something something something really a product of the JJ Trey it is lens flare lots of bras lots of fancy swooshing camera movements beautiful set design beautiful remains to be seen whether Actually be a good show or not. Yeah, I Cross across my fingers.

I think it's gonna be pretty Pretty good. I'm pretty good as well. I saw guardians of the galaxy. I like it.

Steve hates it. Well, I haven't seen the second one I didn't like the first one it it's currently sitting at around 8.1 out of 10 on IMDb 8 out of 10 people are wrong. Yeah, but then Metacritic's giving it about 67 So it's not too bad. It is a lot of fun to watch It is hard to follow up on the first one, which I thought was fun as well So this is just as much fun.

My wife hated it She just thought that was a period of time that she's not gonna get back in her life at all She that leads me to Anna Green Gables on Netflix or Netflix I've got a few things Netflix that Star Trek discoveries on Netflix. I thought that was a CBS. See is it? Yeah, it's on No, it's a Netflix all over it.

You go watch it. It's got Netflix everywhere. It's a Netflix something I was I was confused. Is that true?

We're following up Steve's doing the research while he's talking. I'll talk about live research Anna Green Gables, so Anna Green Gables has been reimagined. It's closer to the book sort of thing It's not as light-hearted as the earlier 80s 90s 80s No to be 80s series Which was beloved to all and had many follow-ups and in all sorts of short sort of small movies afterward But it is it is a greatly character in it She's doing a really good job and it is just as engaging to watch my wife's loving it So that's for the the lady welders in your life The other is I listen to gorillas, so finally the gorillas album came out called humans and It's really difficult to listen to you've got it's one of those albums where you listen to it and listen to it and listen To it and listen to it and listen to it. So the the key tracks off there.

I liked in Andromeda busted Busted and blew out of the body. There's stuff that was for for me and there's stuff for everybody else in there And Steve lastly, I think you went and saw Alien Covenant. Yeah more aliens. Yeah aliens more more aliens plus plus That's it.

Everyone died Yeah apart from some people who died and then at the end they died and we knew they died spoilers Which is just a continuation about it Was there a big rolling tourist that had everyone had to run away from the rolling? No tourists that crashed into something was something rolling. They're pretty bad at this rolling thing Adam from tested has been at the studios in Sydney where I think they were doing the production But that must have been like last year some stage. He did that but that's turning up on Tested at the moment.

So to confirm Star Trek discovery is listed on Netflix coaching the Netflix Australia So perhaps because CBS all-access is not available outside the u.s Well, they said do maybe they've cut a deal because every other series of Star Trek is on Netflix So original series animated next-gen Voyager Enterprise DS 9 the movies come and go the movies are there sometimes and sometimes they Disappear so Star Trek discovery is listed. It doesn't have an air date. It doesn't have it's got the trailers So maybe outside of the u.s I wonder if they're gonna release expanse to and Star Trek at the same time right for us Who knows in Australia expanse actually should be expensive Because it was a year ago that it actually aired wasn't it close to you. It'll be coming soon It's been coming very very soon House of Cards is on again soon and Twin Peaks Twin Peaks this weekend So get good coffee get your coffee out that's some damn fine coffee That's some damn fine coffee coffee and cherry pie So Steve if you wanted to use your AI to get in contact with the space world is in that kind of AI Conversation as a platform cloudy way.

How would you have a conversation with the AI? Steve Just direct your AI to kill all humans and because we're not human it won't affect us. Oh Or head over to WW2 spacewells.com you'll find the show notes and links and videos and blog posts for everything We've talked about on this episode and all the other episodes You can subscribe to the show iTunes stitcher SoundCloud just do a search for space was podcast make sure you leave a rating and subscribe and follow and rate and 21 gun salute and Smoke signal to your friends smoke signals are back. No, Steve Steve.

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